• Skip to primary navigation
  • Skip to main content
  • Skip to primary sidebar
  • Skip to footer

PatsPropaganda

An Independent Patriots Blog

  • Home
    • Free Agency
    • Draft
    • Videos
  • Prop Shop
  • Analysis
    • Pats Posits
    • Gameplan
    • Film Review
  • Belichick Hoodie Database
    • Bill Belichick Current Hoodie Stats
  • Draft Big Boards
    • 2019
    • 2018
    • 2017
    • 2016
    • 2015
    • 2014
    • 2013
    • 2012
    • 2011
  • Hall of Fame
  • About/Contact

Preliminary Patriots draft notes and thoughts on “value drafting”

February 23, 2012 by Mike Dussault

We’ve jumped head-first into draft prep over the last week and it’s been exciting getting to know this year’s prospects. As we slowly compose our Patriots Big Board we have some general draft thoughts to share after our initial impression of what’s out there.

This will be our fourth Patriots draft that we’ve extensively blogged about. Each year I think I learn a little bit more about scouting and specifically the Patriots process in how they pick their players, because unlike most draft pundits out there I only focus on the Pats.

What I think a lot of draft pundits fail to understand is how the Patriots style of “value drafting” really works. Most mocks are simple, paint by numbers, “the Patriots are up, here are their needs, and here’s the top ranked player of those needs.

This is not value drafting. Sure, sometimes it works out that way, but ultimately only the Patriots know the true value of each player to their specific system.

A player could seem like a great fit for one of the Patriots first round slots to us outsiders, but if they have a second round grade on the player they will not select him there. Doesn’t mean they don’t like the player or that the player couldn’t help them. They’d just rather take him in the second round while everyone else thinks he’s a first rounder.

Last year’s situation with Mark Ingram is a great example. He seemed like a great fit in an area of need, coming from a Belichick-connected coach. Yet the Patriots saw far better value with Ridley and Vereen later in the draft, who together cost as much as Ingram did. That’s value drafting. That’s how you protect your team against injuries, failed expectations and the salary cap.

This is why I believe perhaps the most important thing to look at when considering the Patriots draft is which positions have the greatest depth and how those positions relate to the Patriots needs.

In 2010, it was tight ends. The Patriots took two of them in the early rounds. In 2011, it was running backs, and again the Pats took two of them in the early rounds.

My early impression of the 2012 draft is that the greatest depth is along the interior line, centers and guards, both positions of long term need for the Patriots.

So while we can all hope the Pats take a potential star at one of the bigger areas of need with their first pick, one thing I can see coming together is using multiple high picks on interior lineman.

There is no question that need affects value. So by that token Patriots fans should be cheering for all tackle and quarterback selections prior to the Pats’ picks. These are areas of lesser need for New England, thus driving more value down the board to the Pats slots.

Notes on Needs

X WR: There should also be some value in the second round for potential X receivers. If the Pats did take a WR with a first round pick he’d likely have to have "The Great Deep Threat Hope” tattooed on his forehead.

Safety: Barron is an easy pick to make in a mock draft, but there should be some safety value in the 2nd/3rd round as well. My initial instinct is that this is an area they’ll address after the first round. Personally I’d prefer more of a coverage safety with range to get over the top as opposed to an ‘in the box’ type. Patriots safeties need to do both, but someone who excels more at the back end is my preference. Will be interested to get a better idea of how Barron moves at the combine.

Center/Guard: Lots of good prospects who fit the Patriots style. If a lot of tackles go early the Pats could be in prime position to get one of the best Centers or Guards in the draft at 27. A lot of people will cry about this. I will not.

DL: Fletcher Cox is the current Pats favorite on the majority of mock drafts, however the Pats-type DL depth isn’t great. I am on board with Cox, but if they miss out on him they might have to wait until the later rounds to get a more developmental guy. Lots of potential 5-techniques out there and I see that as a significant need, but not as big as a Mike Wright-type who can play numerous positions, most importantly interior rusher on passing downs. That’s a need Cox would fill, but there’s no guarantee he falls to 27, and if he doesn’t there isn’t another guy with value in that spot that I see after my initial research.

OLB: The hardest position to project for the Patriots is always the most debated. So many factors this year: will they go back to a 3-4, can the prospect convert to play in space, will Mark Anderson/Andre Carter be back, is Jermaine Cunningham still a factor, how will Markell Carter factor in? Lots to wonder and debate about. So far there do seem like some guys who would fit well, narrowing them down will be one of my toughest tasks over the next two months.

Filed Under: Uncategorized Tagged With: 5 keys, analysis, draft, new england patriots, nfl

February 23, 2012 by Mike Dussault

When you talk about the New England Patriots, you talk about controlling the real estate in the middle of the field and Wes Welker out of the slot, in the middle of the field, there is none better right now in the National Football League. He is vital to that offense,” Schlereth said. Added Rice: “He brings a dimension to the game where safeties and linebackers can not cover this guy one on one. I’m sure they’re going to put the franchise tag on him.

New England Patriots Blog – ESPN Boston

I have to say I’m kind of surprised by the number of Patriots fans that are saying the Pats should let Welker walk, and replace him with a combination of Hernandez and Edelman.

I like Edelman but to suggest he’s even close to the same level of Welker is a stretch. And forcing Hernandez to serve more as a Wide Receiver would take away from how well you can disguise what you’re doing with him.

Hernandez has also missed time in both of his first two seasons. If that happened again without Welker you’re looking at Gronk, Edelman, maybe Branch and whatever free agent/rookie you bring in? Even if that is Brando Lloyd and a first round rook I don’t feel confident.

If we learned anything with the 2006 Branch debacle it’s to make sure you keep receivers that Brady has synergy with. Hoodie knows those players are becoming harder and harder to find so I say keeping Welker on the Pats is a top priority, and letting him walk is not an option.

https://www.patspropaganda.com/when-you-talk-about-the-new-england-patriots-you/

Filed Under: Uncategorized Tagged With: wes welker

Patriots Mock Draft Tracker

February 23, 2012 by Mike Dussault

Patriots Mock Draft Tracker

This is a good place to start getting knowledgeable about the draft with this collection of mock draft Patriots picks from some well-respected writers.

I’m not a mock draft guy but I will be releasing my Patriots-only big board in a couple weeks, followed by one (and only one) Patriots-only mock draft in mid-April.

Filed Under: Uncategorized Tagged With: new england patriots

February 23, 2012 by Mike Dussault

27. New England Patriots
2011 Record: 13-3
Positional Needs: Safety, outside linebacker, defensive end, wide receiver, cornerback
The Pick: Illinois defensive end Whitney Mercilus Analysis: Mercilus exploded last year in his first season as a starter with 16 sacks and nine forced fumbles. He projects to play the edge in either front, which should help him with the Patriots’ multiple sets, and Mercilus would be the pass rusher they need in this draft. The only question is how high Mercilus’ stock could get over the next two months.

31. New England Patriots
2011 Record: 13-3
Positional Needs: Safety, outside linebacker, defensive end, wide receiver, cornerback, defensive tackle
The Pick: Nebraska cornerback Alfonzo Dennard
Analysis: Dennard’s stock has been fluctuating, so it’s tough to get a read on him this early. But he’s strong and physical, and he can tackle and play the ball in the air. Dennard can play both man and zone, but he doesn’t have elite speed, which will be a focus at the combine.

Robert Griffin III Heads to Cleveland in First Mock Draft, Boston College’s Luke Kuechly Lands in Arizona – NFL – NESN.com

https://www.patspropaganda.com/27-new-england-patriots-2011-record-13-3/

Filed Under: Uncategorized Tagged With: new england patriots

February 23, 2012 by Mike Dussault

“The last two years at the Patriots, when it came down to stacking the board, Bill and I were getting frustrated with the stacking because the game had changed and evolved,” Pioli said. “We were talking about how the value of the third corner (is) really (that of) 60 percent players. And someone who is a 60 percent player was… the third corner is the starter in today’s game. And it was back then. We were talking about guys who could be third corners and not ranking them high enough. They weren’t given high enough grades.”

“The reality is, the third corner, the third receiver, the sub safety, you can’t just say, he’s a backup corner,” Pioli continued. “The value of that backup corner is much greater. What I spent a lot of time doing is re-doing our whole grading system. Thomas (Dimitroff) and I, then spent more time re-doing the grading system. Me, Bill (Belichick), Ernie Adams, and Thomas and then we started using that the last couple years. Then, Thomas leaves and took it down (to Atlanta), Phil (Emery) took it from Thomas. And when I came to Kansas City, I tried teaching this system that’s different. Because everyone essentially uses the same grading system and fortunately Phil knew it. So, when I hired Phil, he came in and he helped teach it.”

“It’s not anything that’s genius,” said Pioli, now the Chiefs GM. “It’s not anything. It’s just trying to look at today’s league and understanding matching value vs. just saying the guy’s a starting running back. The value of a third running back or a sub-package running back, a guy who can pick up the blitz – Kevin Faulk – well, he may not be a starter, but he has tremendous value. He’s not really just a backup running back. So, I don’t know if any of that makes sense… Phil has taken it up there (to Chicago).”

BostonHerald.com – Blogs: Rap Sheet» Blog Archive » Allow former Patriots VP Scott Pioli to remind us about the Patriots scouting system…

More to come on this stuff later today…

https://www.patspropaganda.com/the-last-two-years-at-the-patriots-when-it-came/

Filed Under: Uncategorized Tagged With: new england patriots

Patriots release OL Rich Ohrnberger and DL Mike Wright

February 22, 2012 by Mike Dussault

Patriots release OL Rich Ohrnberger and DL Mike Wright

Bummer on both accounts. Ohrnberger probably moreso because he was the most comically gifted of all Patriots tweeters, but with Wright it’s likely his career is done after having back to back seasons ending with concussions.

While Myron Pryor should be back and provide some interior rush, the loss of Wright only highlights the need to replace him with someone similar. He could play every position along the D-line and was an absolute beast when it came to rushing the passer.

Filed Under: Uncategorized Tagged With: new england patriots

February 22, 2012 by Mike Dussault


“I am deeply saddened by the passing of my coach, mentor and friend. Coach Martinez’s invaluable assistance and support will never be forgotten and will always have a lasting impact on my life. The time we spent together remain some of my fondest memories. His legacy of commitment, toughness and determination will live on forever.” Tom (via (2) Tom Brady)

https://www.patspropaganda.com/i-am-deeply-saddened-by-the-passing-of-my-coach/

Filed Under: Uncategorized Tagged With: tom brady

  • « Go to Previous Page
  • Go to page 1
  • Interim pages omitted …
  • Go to page 1668
  • Go to page 1669
  • Go to page 1670
  • Go to page 1671
  • Go to page 1672
  • Interim pages omitted …
  • Go to page 2369
  • Go to Next Page »

Primary Sidebar

The Original 28-3 Comeback Tee

Recent Posts

  • Pats Procrastination – YouTube show Episode 63 – off season entertainment
  • The great (?), retired jersey number debate
  • Pats Procrastination Youtube show – Episode 62 – Patriots rookie mini camp and more!
  • Pats Procrastination – YouTube show Episode 61 – the 2025 Draft – a conclusion!
  • Pats Procrastination – YouTube show Episode 60 – the final countdown… to the Draft!

Archives

June 2025
M T W T F S S
 1
2345678
9101112131415
16171819202122
23242526272829
30  
« May    

Footer

Pages

  • About/Contact
  • Bill Belichick Current Hoodie Stats
  • Hall of Fame
  • Privacy Policy

Random Post

(no title)

We’ve been on the other end of that before, too,” he said. “You’ve got to play for 60 minutes. You’ve got to keep your foot on the gas pedal and play mistake free. We certainly didn’t do that – too many turnovers, too many penalties, too many scoring opportunities that we missed. That’s why we […]

Copyright © 2025 · Genesis Sample Theme on Genesis Framework · WordPress · Log in