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Patriots Day Two Draft Pick Posits

April 30, 2016 by Mike Dussault

I stayed up into the wee hours of the morning last night, watching almost everything I could find on the four newest Patriots. I have to say I generally feel more excited that immediately after the draft. I was really only familiar with Cyrus Jones of all the draftees, so it was a process of discovery, and there’s a lot to like from these players.

You can check out some of the videos over at my media-heavy Tumblr site, PatsPropaganda.net. More will be popping up throughout the day.

Here are some general thoughts as I dove in deeper on the new guys:

Cyrus Jones
  • Size is the knock on him and why everyone is only projecting him to the slot, but I think he’s smart enough and quick enough to cover just about type of receiver.
  • His quote to the media that his teammates joked about him needing his own office with the coaches because he studies so much film is so Patriots.
  • This guy is a weapon as a punt returner and that could be a huge help in cutting down on the wear and tear on Julian Edelman and Danny Amendola.
  • He immediately shoots to the top of the slot corner depth chart as I see it.
  • Understands how receivers try to set him up and knows how to counter. Extremely quick in mirroring routes, partly because of his foot speed but also his recognition.
  • Playmaker who is always around the ball.
  • Jones will make this defense better and has all the traits that make him a perfect fit. He plays with some edge and is a sound tackler. Reminds me a bit of the Tyrann Mathieu.
Joe Thuney
  • It’s pronounced “Toon-ey”.
  • Really smart, got multiple degrees as NC State.
  • Played every spot on the line, ending up at left tackle.
  • Really great hip bend. A smooth athlete with loose hips. Not ideal size for tackle, but is athletic enough to play there. Gets good leverage with good technique.
  • Not a mauler, but a technical player who can process the game and has the athletic traits where I think he could beat out Marcus Cannon for the swing tackle role. He is more athletic than Cannon or Fleming.
  • One of the best Pro Football Focus ranked pass blockers, it will be interesting to see what they do if he ends up at guard. Shaq Mason is his mirror image — a great run blocker.
Jacoby Brissett
  • Watched his 2014 game against the #1 ranked Florida State team and he was electric, making plays with both his arm and his feet.
  • Closest pro comparison? Ben Roethlisberger. He’s big and strong and fearless in the face of pressure. This can hurt him too, but he got off a few passes as he was in the clutch, about to be sacked.
  • Not an explosive runner, but an excellent athlete who knows how to make guys miss. Knows when to run and when to stay. Good pocket presence, though in the game I say the offensive line struggled against such a good front as the Seminoles.
  • Good with the short passing game. Can read defenses and knows how to look off throws to set up defenders. With a year or two to develop, Brissett could develop into something very interesting.
Vincent Valentine
  • Of the four picks, Valentine is the one I’m still scratching my head over. I get it from a size perspective, but in the few games I watched of him I didn’t see many flashes.
  • He can hold his ground and if he catches an offensive linemen off-balance he’ll truck them. But many instances I saw where he was pushed out of the way or missed the chance to make a tackle.
  • Personality-wish I got a gentle giant vibe from him, which scares me even more.
  • For those of you who’ve been with the blog since the Shawn “Crazy Legs” Crable days, Valentine is the antithesis of Crazy Legs. He already has the best calves on the team. They’re crazy huge and stand out even on a 320 pound man.
  • If I was scouting calves this guy’d be in the first round, but as a defensive tackle I have yet to see a consistent anything to get me excited.

Filed Under: Draft Tagged With: cyrus jones, jacoby brissett, joe thuney, vincent valentine

Patriots Draft Joe Thuney 78th overall

April 29, 2016 by Mike Dussault

The Patriots addressed their offensive line with their second pick in the 2016 NFL draft, selecting Joe Thuney of NC State with the 78th overall selection. Thuney is 6′ 5″, 304 pounds and played all over the line, starting at every spot before spending his senior year at left tackle.

I missed on Thuney on my big board because he was often projected to guard, but obviously his versatility stands out so who knows exactly where he will end up with the Patriots. The fun part for me is now to take a long hard look at him and figure where I think he fits.

The biggest question is how athletic he is. I wanted an athletic tackle at the top of this draft but I’m not sure if we have one. If Thuney needs to go inside to guard he can certainly backup a number of positions, but the Pats already have good young depth at guard and center.

So for the second time tonight the concern is that Thuney, like Jones, is a bit redundant to what the Pats already have. But given what Dante Scarnecchia has done with far less in the past, Thuney could surprise his critics.

He also seems incredibly bright, solving Rubik’s cubes no prob and killing the Wonderlic:

Fast fact on OT Joe Thuney (78th overall): He scored a 39 on his Wonderlic test, according to NFL draft analyst Nolan Nawrocki. #NEPick

— Mike Reiss (@MikeReiss) April 30, 2016

There was an unquestionable need and if Thuney can fit in as a tackle, he could have an opportunity to start before long. Clearly the Pats see something in him that most other scouting outlets haven’t, at least ranking him higher than most, but I’ll go with the Pats opinion over all else. We’ll see how he fits in.

1 for 2 on my top 50 big board now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s72Ocs21gl0

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